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atrueprincefanfrom18 wrote: April 4th, 2021, 11:28 amI think the mod page should also add an option of is the mod auto-runner (or any custom hacks with key controls) and also a dropdown option in search mod page since a couple of mods on PoPOT are auto-runner (and I've finished creating one too). I think just adding a column with this name in MySQL and showing it on the mod page are easy enough.
Yeah. More generally, tags might be useful. These would be a bit more versatile, allowing not just a common e.g. "auto-runner" tag, but anything visitors might be looking for. I'll put it on my to-do list for PoPOT.
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Norbert wrote: April 9th, 2021, 8:28 am
atrueprincefanfrom18 wrote: April 4th, 2021, 11:28 amI think the mod page should also add an option of is the mod auto-runner (or any custom hacks with key controls) and also a dropdown option in search mod page since a couple of mods on PoPOT are auto-runner (and I've finished creating one too). I think just adding a column with this name in MySQL and showing it on the mod page are easy enough.
Yeah. More generally, tags might be useful. These would be a bit more versatile, allowing not just a common e.g. "auto-runner" tag, but anything visitors might be looking for. I'll put it on my to-do list for PoPOT.
Done.
https://www.popot.org/tags.php
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Norbert wrote: April 9th, 2021, 5:00 pmDone.
So early! :P Thank you.

By the way, it might also be worth that you can post this thread link into the contact page on PoPOT. Users might want to join this forum and might be good connecting with new people. Upto you.

More tags suggestions:
* custom-package (includes mods which only run (or maybe should be run) on SDLPoP/MININIM)
* less-time (mods like You have 5 minutes and Save the princess in 8 minutes can be added).
* huge-time (crazy mods which include 500 minutes or something might be added. Now here, mod authors or PoPOT needs to make a protocol, how much time is considered as huge?)

Edit: Also a validation is required, the same tag can be added from edit mod page. Here's an example (just created for demo, will change later).
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Per your suggestions, I've added the forum link, plus the following extra tags: few-minutes, many-minutes, sdlpop, and mininim.
If you or anyone else ever needs more additional tags, simply let me know.

It's true that tags can currently be used multiple times for a single mod, but I don't think this'll be a problem.
The mod is still only counted once in the tags overview, and when searching.
Maybe one day I'll add additional validation. :)
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Norbert wrote: April 9th, 2021, 7:41 pm Maybe one day I'll add additional validation. :)
Haha, I know it's really fearful to modify existing code. You never know what might break! ;)
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I think the download mod page on PoPOT should also describe on how to run the mod. People who don't know that the folder should run in DOSBox will just download the file and try to run PRINCE.EXE (double click) which definitely won't run and then they won't try anything else at all. Maybe PoPOT can show tools like poplaun or SDLPoP on the mod page?

I just noticed this in the comment section of a old PoP Mod video.
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atrueprincefanfrom18 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 4:36 amI think the download mod page on PoPOT should also describe on how to run the mod.
Good idea; added.
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Norbert wrote: April 9th, 2021, 8:28 am Yeah. More generally, tags might be useful. These would be a bit more versatile, allowing not just a common e.g. "auto-runner" tag, but anything visitors might be looking for. I'll put it on my to-do list for PoPOT.
So, I guess this addition fulfills the "Genre of Mods" request by kj-5349?

Norbert wrote: April 9th, 2021, 5:00 pm Suggestions for additional tags are welcome.
A conversion tag could be added for mods which have levels from other PoP games, like SNES Levels.
List of such mods:
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DOS mods with SNES levels:
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000011 -- SNES Levels
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000042 -- SNES-PC-set
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000056 -- Persian Training Grounds
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000149 -- SNES Remnants
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000150 -- SNES Level 15

PoP1 mods with PoP2 levels:
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000102 -- The Shadow and The Flame Remake
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000105 -- PoP2 Split Levels

PoP1 mod based on the Flash game:
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000061 -- Prince of Persia - Special edition

SNES mod with DOS levels:
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=S000026 -- 30th Anniversary Port

Another tag could be added to mods with custom-hacks, i.e. hacks not in CusPoP or Pr1SnesLevEd.
(Although many hacks for Norbert's mods are now in apoplexy.)
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https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000141 -- King of Persia -- Disables saving, Ctrl+A, and various forms of HP regeneration depending on the selected difficulty level.
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000182 -- Ghost of Persia -- If you kill a guard, you die too.
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000200 -- Neon Persia -- "Loose floors have longer delays before they fall."
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000216 -- Escape From Illusion
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000237 -- Run, Prince! Run! -- "The prince automatically runs to the left."
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000242 -- Key Issue -- "This modification disallows Shift and arrow down (except for sheathing)."
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=S000005 -- The Quiet Levels -- Always slow-falling on level 7. The level where you need to lose HP to open the exit. Different passwords. etc.
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=S000024 -- The Queen Of Light -- Jaffar's graphics were changed to the titular queen. Training levels have names. Custom title music. etc.
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=S000026 -- 30th Anniversary Port -- Lots of custom hacks to make SNES PoP behave like DOS PoP.

Mods with no-level-changes (or only minor ones), which let you play the original levels in a different way:
(Or instead of this tag, it should be possible to search for "# Changed Levels" = 0.)
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https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000001 -- Prince of Persia -- Well, it's the original game. :)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000037 -- Mirrored Levels -- I'm not sure about this one.
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000141 -- King of Persia
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000156 -- Princess of Persia
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000242 -- Key Issue -- There are only minimal changes, to make the levels finishable with the restrictions.
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=S000026 -- 30th Anniversary Port -- Lets you play the original DOS levels, but on the SNES. I'm not sure if it belongs here, though.
Among the Mods not yet on PoPOT is "Prince of Reversia", in which you start levels at their end, and you end them at their start.

Mods where the prince starts every level with no-sword:
(Although in some mods every level has a sword to pick up.)
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https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000080 -- Prince Unique -- "The prince is running without a sword in all levels."
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000126 -- Mini underground -- "and not a sword in sight."
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000154 -- Impossible! -- "The prince never has his sword."
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000199 -- Quest for the Sword -- "With only his bare hands,"
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000211 -- Prince's Adventure -- "The prince has no sword, hence he must take the sword in every level."
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000215 -- Ararat -- "The prince has no sword, hence he must take the sword in every level."
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000228 -- Amogh's Levelset 2 -- "In each level if you must fight a guard, you must first collect the sword."
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000231 -- No Sword Original
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000236 -- Pandemic in Persia -- "You never have the sword, you will have to pick it up in the every level."
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000238 -- MASIS -- "The prince has no sword, hence he must take the sword in every level."
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And, if I can make a suggestion on what existing tags could be added to existing mods:

combat-heavy:
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https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000006 -- PoP: Tournament
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000017 -- 13 Swordsmen -- "It's mostly about fighting one guard each level"
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000074 -- Battle Hardened -- And its sequels?
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000075 -- Combat & Adventures -- "The majority of the game is about the swashbuckling sword fighting."
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000142 -- The Prince Mystery Dungeon -- "The prince has to fight with many enemies."
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=S000025 -- Levels of Illusion (SNES) -- "It's mostly a guard fighting game as opposed to a tricks game."

sdlpop:
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Everything from here: viewforum.php?f=128
That is:
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000153 -- Secrets of the Citadel
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000181 -- Super Adventure
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000226 -- Indonesian Sweet Dreams -- It has a DOS version as well, though.
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000227 -- Journey In Mystery
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000232 -- Prince 1 and 1/2

broken-links:
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https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000002 -- 4D Prince of Persia -- "A mod that uses broken room links"
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000010 -- Repetition of Time
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000036 -- Potion Puzzles -- See the first comment.
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000107 -- Potions of Delusion -- See the PDF in the package.
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000120 -- A Place Of Despair -- See the first comment.
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000203 -- Lihinghntom's Palace -- "My first mod with broken room links."
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000212 -- Magic of Persia -- "This mod has broken room links."
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000216 -- Escape From Illusion -- "Has broken room links to create confusion."
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=S000009 -- The Persian Secret Passage -- If I recall correctly.
There are probably more...

many-minutes:
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Here is the list of mods which give more than 120 minutes (2 hours).

https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000154 -- Impossible! (1000 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000166 -- During Sleep 3 (800 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000054 -- Arabian Nightmares (600 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000070 -- Extrem (600 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000170 -- Jaffar Never Dies (600 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000155 -- Jaffar Not Forget 2 (The Temple of Terror) (500 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000229 -- Lockdown on Persia (500 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000192 -- Original Revisited (300 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000076 -- Extrem2 (300 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000066 -- Mirages of Persia (300 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000080 -- Prince Unique (300 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000142 -- The Prince Mystery Dungeon (255 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000084 -- Prince of Venus (240 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000187 -- Mysterious Castle 2 (222 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000210 -- Jaffar's Revenge Completed (200 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000053 -- Return to Persia (200 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000158 -- The Deserts of Persia (200 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000186 -- The Prince of Persia in the Pyramid (200 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000010 -- Repetition of Time (180 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000033 -- Maze of Illusion (180 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000236 -- Pandemic in Persia (180 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000180 -- The Prince in the Illusion 2 (180 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000072 -- Battle Hardened III (170 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000176 -- The Prince in the Illusion (160 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000183 -- Mysterious Castle (153 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000235 -- Mysterious Doom (150 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000175 -- Original Complex Version (150 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000194 -- Temple of Chaos (150 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000124 -- The Great Adventure (150 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000148 -- The Princess is Mine (150 minutes)

few-minutes:
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I arbitrarily set the limit at 20 minutes.

https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000240 -- You have 5 minutes
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000178 -- Little Time (7 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000239 -- Quickly (7 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000150 -- SNES Level 15 (8 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000217 -- Save the princess in 8 minutes
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000061 -- Prince of Persia - Special edition (8 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000056 -- Persian Training Grounds (10 minutes)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000083 -- Lost In The Forest 3 (12 minutes)

custom-story:
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Some are mentioned by kj-5349.
He also says "Not mk1995, or programmer's mods as after Google translating the Polish texts, they were found to be paraphrasing the original" so maybe some of their mods in the list should not have this tag?

https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000003 -- The Great Escape
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000005 -- The Shadow of The Castle (in Polish)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000006 -- PoP: Tournament
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000007 -- The Prince LOSVCI (in Polish)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000010 -- Repetition of Time -- The story is in the trailer.
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000018 -- The Shadow of The Castle 2 (in Polish)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000034 -- KX - Out of Time
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000047 -- Pirates of Persia
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000054 -- Arabian Nightmares
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000056 -- Persian Training Grounds
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000059 -- An Hour in the Prison -- Not sure if this counts, the story is the same but with different words...
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000061 -- Prince of Persia - Special edition -- Not sure if this counts, the story was copied from the Flash game.
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000063 -- The Hostage of Time -- Not sure if this counts, the story is the same but with different words...
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000065 -- Secrets of Dungeons (in Polish)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000071 -- PoP: Lost on Small Bricks
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000072 -- Battle Hardened III
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000073 -- Battle Hardened 2: Battle Hardened with Vengeance
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000074 -- Battle Hardened
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000082 -- Lost In The Forest
(Lost In The Forest 2 has no custom story as it is a PoP2 mod.)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000083 -- Lost In The Forest 3
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000084 -- Prince of Venus
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000086 -- Jaffar's Island
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000087 -- Rukia's Terror
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000089 -- The Naughty Little Buddy
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000105 -- PoP2 Split Levels -- Not sure if this counts, the story was copied from PoP2.
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000122 -- The Dungeons of a Dark Magician
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000150 -- SNES Level 15
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000156 -- Princess of Persia
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000169 -- Battle Hardened: Nazaam's Revolt
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=S000017 -- Time Only Knows (in Portuguese)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=S000018 -- The Kingdom of the Dead (in Portuguese)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=S000020 -- The Two Princesses (in Portuguese)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=S000021 -- Shadow's Story (in Portuguese)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=S000023 -- Twin Brother (in Portuguese)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=S000024 -- The Queen Of Light

puzzles:
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https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000010 -- Repetition of Time
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000036 -- Potion Puzzles
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000107 -- Potions of Delusion
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000111 -- David's Levels -- Not sure.
There are more than that, obviously...

tiny-levels:
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Side note: We had a contest for 2-room mods in 2013, and PoPUW had a contest for 4-room mods in 2007.

https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000006 -- PoP: Tournament -- At most 7 rooms per level. Level 7 has 13 rooms but you can reach only 5 of them.
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000052 -- 4-Rooms Levelset
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000111 -- David's Levels -- At most 8 rooms per level.
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000126 -- Mini underground -- "Eight very hard levels with few rooms" (2 or 3 rooms per level)
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=S000009 -- The Persian Secret Passage -- "This mod has two rooms per level."

Total Pack has "Challenging level of only two screens.DAT".

Mods not yet on PoPOT has two mods from the 2007 contest:
mmitch_4rooms_LEVELS.DAT -- Level 1 and 7 are changed.
mek_4rooms_levels.dat -- Level 7 is for the 4-room contest, the rest is the same as in Mek's Levelset.

I'm not sure about these:
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000130 -- SmallDungMod -- I counted a maximum of 13 rooms per level, except the unchanged level 6 and the almost unchanged level 12.
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=S000010 -- SmallDungMod (SNES) -- Does this have the same levels as the DOS version?
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000135 -- New Mini Tricks -- Not sure about this one. You only touch a few rooms on each level, but around them the author kept the original rooms of that level.
https://www.popot.org/custom_levels.php?mod=0000159 -- Jaffar's Rooms
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Per your suggestions I've added: conversion, custom-hack, unaltered-levels, no-sword
Later today, I'll try to give the mods the tags you've suggested. Thanks for looking into this.
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It would also be nice to have a tag whether a mod requires advanced tricks/bug abuse to pass.
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dmitrys wrote: April 12th, 2021, 4:21 pm It would also be nice to have a tag whether a mod requires advanced tricks/bug abuse to pass.
There's already "trick-heavy" that could be combined with "ultra-difficult", but perhaps these existing tags don't suffice.
What tag do you suggest?
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I guess that works.
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And actually I think three tags are too less. Maybe 5 or 7 would do. I don't know the database schema, but if it's stored as a seperate table, you can do it easily, if it's columns, well... well... well!
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atrueprincefanfrom18 wrote: April 12th, 2021, 5:53 pm And actually I think three tags are too less. Maybe 5 or 7 would do. I don't know the database schema, but if it's stored as a seperate table, you can do it easily, if it's columns, well... well... well!
Norbert posted the changes to the database and the source, here: viewtopic.php?p=32724#p32724 (tags.txt under the tweet)

He added three new columns for the three possible tags per mod, and the new code assumes that there can be only three tags per mod.
So it's columns, not a separate table...
The means that to increase the limit, all the new code has to be changed.
I agree that this is not the best way to do this.
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