Editing level movings

[Emiliano]

Hi everyone
There's a level which I do never edit or remain original ideas, I'm talking about the demo level
I would like to know if is there anyway to make the prince move differently?
Besides it would be interesting to have a different demo level
Thanks for your help…

[Norbert]

demo level [...] there anyway to make the prince move differently?

I don't think there's a way to change his moves yet.

However, it is possible to make the level playable with CusPop by changing the "Demo level status".

Besides it would be interesting to have a different demo level

Some mods do have seemingly different demo level moves.

See, for example, starting 2:04 in the fist video ("Intro Sequence") here.
That's the demo level of Micro Palace.
The prince still makes the same moves, but it looks different because he starts facing right and because the level layout is different.

Another example, starting 2:04 in the first video ("Intro Sequence") here.
That's the demo level of Prince of Wateria.

[atrueprincefanfrom18]

Even I would like if there's any editor which makes you edit level moves. It could be useful for showing what exactly is interesting in the game...
Example: Let's say I was to modify some graphics in DAT files and it could be used for kinda spoliers. Or something similar... (I'm not thinking any good use-case other than this where modifying Demo Level is very very crucial!)
It would be nice if there's any tool for modifying that bytes in the EXE...

[David]

demo level [...] there anyway to make the prince move differently?

I don't think there's a way to change his moves yet.

There is, though it might be user-unfriendly because it involves hex editing: viewtopic.php?p=11243#p11243

(By the way, you recently posted a link to the same post, here: viewtopic.php?p=29261#p29261 )

[Norbert]

demo level [...] there anyway to make the prince move differently?

I don't think there's a way to change his moves yet.

There is, though it might be user-unfriendly because it involves hex editing: viewtopic.php?p=11243#p11243

(By the way, you recently posted a link to the same post, here: viewtopic.php?p=29261#p29261 )

Those are the shadow's movements though, right?
Emiliano asked for the prince's movements.

[David]

There is, though it might be user-unfriendly because it involves hex editing: viewtopic.php?p=11243#p11243
[...]

Those are the shadow's movements though, right?
Emiliano asked for the prince's movements.

The post contains both "Shadow moves on level 5" and "Demo moves" (Prince's moves on demo level), one after the other.
(Maybe I should bold those two subheadings so they stand out more?)

[Norbert]

(Maybe I should bold those two subheadings so they stand out more?)

Ah.
Yes, that would be better.
Maybe even add "prince" to "demo moves"?

There is, though it might be user-unfriendly because it involves hex editing

I'll add it to the apoplexy to-do list.
The last release added the F3 screen (loose floor settings); should be enough space left there.
(Anything else apoplexy should allow that's currently hex edits or CusPop only? That many modders might want to use, I mean...)

[atrueprincefanfrom18]

(Anything else apoplexy should allow that's currently hex edits or CusPop only? That many modders might want to use, I mean...)

Maybe allowing one-click feature to randomize color-palletes of the guards? I wanted to use that, but haven't got time to install hex editor and learn how to do it...

[David]

(Maybe I should bold those two subheadings so they stand out more?)

Ah.
Yes, that would be better.
Maybe even add "prince" to "demo moves"?

Done both: viewtopic.php?p=11243#p11243

[Norbert]

one-click feature to randomize color-palletes of the guards

Currently, available colors are 1-7, those used in the original game. I could add an option to make it 255 (0xFF) or anything else 8-254, causing the game to take the colors from memory areas related to either sound or garbage. However, according to page 16 of this document "This may also cause a game crash." I don't know if the latter is true or not, but unless David or someone else can guarantee it's not true, I don't think I should provide modders with the option... And then the question becomes, will 8-254 have different (random?) effects than 255.

[atrueprincefanfrom18]

one-click feature to randomize color-palletes of the guards

However, according to page 16 of this document "This may also cause a game crash."

Oh, I didn't know that!
Maybe, it's just a caution for the player... Because the trashed memory data can be anything and that may crash the game, that seems reasonable. Although having such memory data on the players computer would have a very less probability I guess...

but unless David or someone else can guarantee it's not true, I don't think I should provide modders with the option... And then the question becomes, will 8-254 have different (random?) effects than 255.

Yes, it's best David or Falcury can answer this.

[Emiliano]

Hi Datar, do you want to set trashed memory guards?
this post may help you
David taught me to do that when I asked how to add an eight guard palette, you follow a similar process; and Norbert gave me links to Hex editors
Good luck doing this

[atrueprincefanfrom18]

No, I wanted the feature in Apoplexy to automatically do the random color guards for me, instead of me to do hex-editing. And Norbert wanted to know if it's secure to do (although nor David, nor Falcury have answered it), or may crash the game, or worse: users' computer.

[Norbert]

I would like to know if is there anyway to make the prince move differently?

Even I would like if there's any editor which makes you edit level moves.

Update post, in case someone new ever reads this thread...
As you've probably read, apoplexy 3.9 and newer can do this, via the F3 screen.
Both the shadow (on level 5) and the prince (on the demo level) can be made to do things for about 21 seconds total (255 ticks).
For the prince more moves are available, allowing for more elaborate actions to be performed.
Future SDLPoP versions, i.e. newer than 1.20, will allow users to quickly test modified demo level moves (e.g. by launching that level from apoplexy, with "d" and then "s").