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Re: Apple ][ Source FOUND!

Postby Andrew » December 4th, 2015, 6:44 pm

David wrote:About the name: The sample from the "Making of PoP" book mentions "DRAX" and "DRAY" on pages 24 and 34.
Probably the first version was "DRAW", and Mechner incremented the last letter with each version.

Don't know why, but I find that pretty funny. Wonder what he'd have named the version after DRAZ, if there was one? Looped around to DRAA? Incremented by a letter to DRAZA? :P

David wrote:This file contains the effects of the "Secret Keys" that are mentioned in some text files that come in PoP downloads.

This is the first time I've ever downloaded this archive from PoPUW, and out of sheer curiosity was going through the various files inside till I came to PRINCE.FAQ. Can't tell you how increasingly confused quickly skimming through this file made me, and my brain almost melted when I finally came to Q22, namely "Is Prince bi/homosexual?". WTF?! Do some people really think he's going through all those trials because he likes Jaffar instead of the Princess? Have I been playing these games wrong all these years? Is this an insidious attempt to ruin my happy childhood memories? Does this conspiracy extend to other games like Mario too? :shock: :? (Come to think of it, Dastan was quite 'friendly' with the Joker on top of Brokeback Mountain. Hmm...)

Fortunately before my whole world collapsed I finally figured out that it was a FAQ not for PoP but for Image! Wow. (Phew!) Either Jalal has a really weird sense of humor or he blindly included anything that said "Prince" in the title. :lol:

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Re: Apple ][ Source FOUND!

Postby David » December 5th, 2015, 2:49 pm

Andrew wrote:Wonder what he'd have named the version after DRAZ, if there was one? Looped around to DRAA? Incremented by a letter to DRAZA? :P

Perhaps continue to "[", the next character in ASCII?
Or maybe do what Perl and PHP do:
DRAZ -> DRBA -- And then nobody could figure out what that means...

Andrew wrote:till I came to PRINCE.FAQ

When I last downloaded the archive, this file (and some others) was not there.

By the way, that file shows its age...
4) How do I use Internet services like FTP, IRC and World Wide Web (WWW)?
4.1) How do I FTP?
4.2) How do I IRC?
4.3) How do I use WWW/http?
4.4) That's all very nice, but I only have e-mail access to The Net...


And other interesting things...
Hill, Dave; Prince: a pop life; 242 pages; Harmony books; 0-517-57282-6

It's "pop" and not "PoP", though...

The Kid - Of all the characters, this is probably closest to
being Prince. Although he disputes that "Purple Rain"

Remember that the Prince of Persia is often called Kid? (KID.DAT for example)

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Re: Apple ][ Source FOUND!

Postby Andrew » December 5th, 2015, 3:44 pm

David wrote:Perhaps continue to "[", the next character in ASCII?

Naah, DRA[ doesn't quite have the same ring to it. :D

David wrote:Or maybe do what Perl and PHP do:
DRAZ -> DRBA -- And then nobody could figure out what that means...

No wonder! At that point people will probably just think that they're random letters or something. :roll:

David wrote:And other interesting things...
Hill, Dave; Prince: a pop life; 242 pages; Harmony books; 0-517-57282-6

It's "pop" and not "PoP", though...

Hey, I missed that. "Prince: A PoP Life" - I like it! Sounds like a great title for a fictional autobiography of the Prince.

David wrote:When I last downloaded the archive, this file (and some others) was not there.

So it's a later addition by Jalal. Still wondering about his motivation (joke or mistake), but it's probably best not to inform him and let it be. Sort of like an Easter egg just for PoP fans. :)

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Re: Apple ][ Source FOUND!

Postby Norbert » December 5th, 2015, 5:30 pm

Andrew wrote:[...], but it's probably best not to inform him and let it be.


Too late, I'm afraid.
After I'd read your post I informed (e-mailed) Jalal about the awkward file inside the ZIP.
He wrote me once that we can report dead links and such to him.
He does have an account on this forum, and he updates popuw.com now and then, so maybe he would've picked up on it anyway.
Or he added the file deliberately, a possibility you mentioned; could be.

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Re: Apple ][ Source FOUND!

Postby Andrew » December 5th, 2015, 5:36 pm

Norbert wrote:Too late, I'm afraid.
After I'd read your post I informed (e-mailed) Jalal about the awkward file inside the ZIP.

Oh well. That's fine, it's not a big deal anyway.

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Re: Apple ][ Source FOUND!

Postby jalal » December 5th, 2015, 7:36 pm

Hehehe. Well I did actually find this file INSIDE a Prince of Persia 1 archive. I got it from there (I don't think I will ever find it again), and yes I did update manuals.zip back in the February's batch of updates, added more files but didn't mention it in the news.

I guess I will keep it.

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Re: Apple ][ Source FOUND!

Postby Andrew » December 5th, 2015, 9:30 pm

Nice to hear from you after ages, Jalal. What're you up to nowadays?

jalal wrote:I guess I will keep it.

:D

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Re: Apple ][ Source FOUND!

Postby jalal » March 1st, 2016, 2:45 am

Andrew wrote:Nice to hear from you after ages, Jalal. What're you up to nowadays?


Nothing much. The usual.

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Re: Apple ][ Source FOUND!

Postby David » July 3rd, 2016, 9:30 am

Andrew wrote:Fortunately before my whole world collapsed I finally figured out that it was a FAQ not for PoP but for Image! Wow. (Phew!) Either Jalal has a really weird sense of humor or he blindly included anything that said "Prince" in the title. :lol:


Maybe next time, he will add a FAQ about The Little Prince by Saint-Exupery?
Which could contain something like...

Q: Did the Prince really die near the end?
A: No, he just left his body so he could return to his home.

Hey, this also kind of matches what happens in PoP2...

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Re: Apple ][ Source FOUND!

Postby David » January 29th, 2017, 11:30 am

(Note to self: Move the previous few posts to a new topic.)

Norbert found this page about PoP for Apple II: http://pferrie.host22.com/misc/lowlevel14.htm

The Easter Eggs part sounds quite interesting:
EASTER EGGS

While digging through the game code, I found several hidden routines. They are listed here.

Before booting, hold both Apple keys, then press:
DEL only on //GS, displays an oscilloscope
use arrow keys to increase/decrease amplitude, space to change orientation, escape to quit
! displays a message, and then a lores animation
RETURN continally draws a fractal, press 'c' to change colours
@ displays a bouncing, spinning cube
^ pulse the drive head, move joystick to change tone, sounds like a motorcycle

When playing side B, press '^' after completing a level to see an animation of Jordan waving, press a key at the end to view it again (never exits=game over)


I did not know about that last one.
Here it is in the source: https://github.com/jmechner/Prince-of-P ... TER.S#L496
It's called after loading a level.

I tried this with this version: https://github.com/adamgreen/Prince-of-Persia-Apple-II (mentioned here)
I pressed Ctrl+A to reload the level (level 3 as it's the first on side B), and immediately pressed Shift+6 ("^").
However, either nothing special happens, or the game hangs with a black screen. The floppy drive light is stuck on.
Oh wait, it works with the three-sided version!
It's in lores mode, with shades of blue.

You can get the game from here: ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II ... of_persia/

It seems that the images would be loaded from this file: https://github.com/adamgreen/Prince-of- ... /VID.STUFF
I already ran into it, but I could not decode it. Maybe now...


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